This was no more a business that a cub scout meeting. Actually, a cub scout meeting would be in violation for collecting DUES!

The only true argument here is people forcing their own moral issues on others.

All in all, the arguments concerning the Hunt Club at this location is a moot point. The landlord is forcing them out of their rented space. The funny thing is that she (the landlord) falsely filed for Homestead Exemtions for her property taxes and I look forward to seeing her being prosecuted for that violation. She lives out of state and pays no sales taxes that support the area.

Now if you are gonna preach God, don’t you have to live by God’s law? So it wasn’t some sanctimonious jerk starting the whole God thing. It was a pro swinger.

These were not just some people having the occasional party and entertaining their friends. Look way up there to a post made by Gator. That’s the rules of the “parties” that were on The Hunt Club of Brevard’s website before they shut it down. When you have your friends over for cocktails, you don’t need a list of rules like that, nor do you need to change the sheets…

In all my examples, no matter what you personally believe, if something is done privately, it is none of your business–until it becomes a business. Then it involves you, as a neighbor, and you have a right to howl.

Protesting things like this on religious grounds, unless you live in an FLDS compound in West Texas, is wrong and irrelevant.

Colloquially….bang your girlfriend on your lawn in front of my kids, and I’m coming for you with the law. Try and make me ‘hit my knees’ according to your beliefs, and you better watch out for your face.

Let’s be honest, this is being used as an excuse to shove your morality down someone else’s throat. You have no right to tell someone else what to do if it doesnt harm you, and unless you have an overactive imagination this was not harming anyone. Maybe if you would be a little more concerned about what is going on in your own home’s and a little less about what is going on in others your kids wouldnt be out doing drugs while your standing in the middle of the street complaining about what your neighbors are doing behind closed doors.

Your rights end where mine begin.

Btw – Please don’t quote bible verses. This has nothing to do with the Bible. Christianity is not our state religion and there is certainly no legal requirement to abide by it, especially YOUR interpretation of it. At one point, people believed the Bible also gave you the right to have slaves. Do you have any?

I think all of you need to get a grip. Unless you live on the street that this is taking place…then really, who cares what any of you think. If you like swingn’…super, if you don’t, great. That should be the end right there.

After all is said and done…the owners and the city will have their day in court I am sure. If a law was broken, then justice should be served. It will soon fade away into the night, everyone will forget about the story, so on and so forth. What won’t be forgotten however, are the words that were shared here…in this forum. It is the written word that cannot be erased.

Finally, not one single person has the right to judge another. Not ever, for any reason, at any time. We ALL have our faults…fix your own before you try to “fix” others.

Sorry.

I think all of you need to get a grip. Unless you live on the street that this is taking place…then really, who cares what any of you think. If you like swingn’…super, if you don’t, great. That should be the end right there.

After all is said and done…the owners and the city will have their day in court I am sure. If a law was broken, then justice should be served. It will soon fade away into the night, everyone will forget about the story, so on and so forth. What won’t be forgotten however, are the words that were shared here…in this forum. It is the written word that cannot be erased.

Finally, not one single person has the right to judge another. Not ever, for any reason, at any time. We ALL have our faults…fix yours before you try to fix others.

I’m disappointed in how this was handled but certainly not surprised. I think it’s each person’s right to determine what is appropriate behavior in their own home. I suspect, based on my prior experience as a rental manager, that there was no morality clause within their lease agreement and this home was being used as they would have were they the owners. I’ve never seen a lease with a morality clause and I certainly hope I don’t live to see the day where they’re commonplace.

In all fairness to this discussion I have been involved in a relationship where we considered ourselves swingers. While I am no longer involved, I feel it necessary to state the following:

1) In my life I have never met a more friendly, supportive, outgoing, and respectful community of individuals than I have in my years involved in “the lifestyle.”

2) Every bushel has a bad apple, yet I encountered so few over the years I honestly cannot remember a single one by name nor incident.

3) Not once have I ever witnessed an illegal act (drugs, prostitution, sexual assault) within the framework of the lifestyle.

So those things being said, I find it sad that adults entertaining in their home are forced to answer for the manner in which they choose to entertain. I personally host parties frequently (non-swinging) in support of the Ultimate Fighting Championship. Once a month I have no less than 20 people in my home enjoying the event, being outside on the deck, drinking, and occasionally perhaps even being too loud.

I’ve had more problems with those parties than I *EVER* had swinging. Were I to be a resident of Melbourne would I have neighbors picketing my yard with anti-UFC slogans? “Love thy neighbor?” “Make love, not war?”

The fact that they disapprove of the actions they believe are occurring (nowhere in any of the three news articles I read and one I watched did they suggest that any of these neighbors had actually attended a party) to me does not legitimize their actions. The fact whatever god you choose to believe in doesn’t support the behavior we’re discussing doesn’t legitimize their actions. In fact, nothing does save the idea that it is acceptable to protect a “way of life” that everyone is used to.

I have neighbors not four doors down who are openly gay. They’re the sweetest, most friendly guys you’ll ever meet. Occasionally they have parties in which many of the cars remain overnight. I have not asked what goes on. I don’t care to. I don’t care to attend, either. That doesn’t mean I’m going to pry. The argument that they don’t have a website advertising it isn’t accurate, because they very well might. Since I’m not interested I’ll never know.

Frankly, I like it that way. To each their own, within your home and your marriage. To love someone is to love them completely and desire to see them happy, no matter what that means. The possibility that another person could bring my partner pleasure, perhaps in a way I cannot, does not bother me. In fact, it’s quite the opposite. Honesty and trust are the most important things to ME in my relationships. A vow to another in front of your god might be yours, and I support both you AND your decision. I only ask you do the same of mine when it doesn’t affect you in the least.

I hope the lifestylers in Melbourne find another place to enjoy each other’s company, clothed or otherwise.

Anyway I know Dan & Cindy don’t like these teachings, so I’ll move on. What if your neighbors had a meth lab in their basement? I guess that would be OK since they are
following your ‘Live & Let Live’ philosophy. Oh, yeah…it’s illegal. I didn’t take that into account. I imagine there were certain stipulations in the lease that would possibly make the tenents understand that this type of thing would not be tolerated. Pimps and madames are arrested. Richard and Kersi should be as well. Flesh trading is illegal and immoral.

At this point, all I can say to Dan and Cindy is that they’d better hit their knees. Blasphemy!!

It more or less boils down to how you feel about this sort of thing. For moral reasons you may disapprove and feel that this is the vilest of all sins, or you may find different sex partners the greatest thing ever, perhaps to the point that it revived your love life. The key to all of this is that it’s practiced by consenting adults in a private setting. Yet, some of us don’t want this sort of thing going on in our neck of the woods. I don’t care what adults do with their personal lives, but for some reason, and even I cannot say why, it would concern me if this sort of thing were happening next door. Perhaps it’s the fear of the unknown, or some gut reaction that stems from being born in the Bible Belt. And, I do realize that it very well could be going on all around me and I’d never be the wiser. Come to think of it, I believe it has occured in my neighborhood. I never was privy to it, and I saw nothing more than several cars parked around a house when I would walk my dogs in the evenings and early mornings. At any rate, if swinging did take place here, no harm was done.

Maybe the Hunt Club of Brevard should follow the lead of the Carolina Swingers. They will come into an area and rent out an entire floor of a hotel. They have their own security to watch the doors, and to maintain good behavior. I’ve heard that they even set up a hospitality suite with food and wide screen pornographic movies. Before you jump to conclusions, no I am not a member and my wife and I don’t participate in this sort of thing. I just happened to know a former vice detective with a local law enforcement agency, who infiltrated this group. Their concern was prostitution, and they never found it. From what I was told, it was all practiced by consent. In fact, the investigation was curtailed rather quickly. It seems that two undercover officers were in the hospitality suite watching films and eating, when one of the participants (this was a nude person, I was told that they tend to walk around with little or no clothing at these sort of things) was overcome in the moment and began to vigorously…ugh…well..you know what I mean. That was enough to wrap things up for the local police.

For those who want to do this sort of thing, perhaps you should take greater pains to do it in places further removed from the public eye. Even if the locals can’t see you, the mere knowledge of what you are doing is enough to rile some folks, and intrigue others.

For those who don’t like this sort of thing, try and realize that it’s done by adults, who have every right to carry on in such a fashion as long as it doesn’t run afoul of certain decency standards.

And, if you think a house full of swingers is bad, try having a methamphetamine lab in your neighborhood, or a barricaded gunman. I’ve dealt with both of those, and I’ll endure swingers any day.

Means if you don’t believe then the rule doesn’t apply till you do.

So are you discriminating in Gods name?

Against those who choose a different path.

Hey your like the Crusades, spill blood in Gods name believing its you doing Gods work to discriminate.