The Hunt Club of Brevard - Sorry swingers, The Hunt Club of Brevard swinging doors are closed. The Brevard Hunt Club stirred up a big bruhaha before being forced out. Here’s why.
The Hunt Club of Brevard was a swingers club that hosted racy parties with sexually expicit themes. Depending on the crowd you run with, that might not seems so bad, but The Hunt Club of Brevard operated out of a quaint suburban home in Melbourne FL.
Now that would probably make neighbors of The Hunt Club of Brevard twitchy, and who could blame them? Kids play on the sidewalk and in the yards for heavens sake…
The operators of the Brevard Hunt Club, Richard Spalding and Kirsi Page, have been under pressure from town officials, neighbors, and the landlord for quite some time but refused to budge until now.
Is Brevard Hunt Club’s idea of a fun theme parties such as a “Naughty Girls, Ice Cream and High Heels Social” everyone’s idea of a good time? Certainly not in the eyes of the cute Oak Groves neighborhood in which the Hunt Club of Brevard operated.
Whether The Hunt Club of Brevard was persecuted by town officials and neighbors that want to dictate morals to consenting adults or whether it was simply a case of code violations will never be known now. The Melbourne Florida Hunt Club is kaput.
Prior to shutting down their website, Brevard Hunt Club operators posted this message: ”We were a group of people who liked to just hang out and bother no one. Unfortunately neither the press nor the neighbors could leave us alone. The neighbors have even gone as far as to threaten our lives.”
Well Richard Spalding and Kersi Page, don’t mess with the mama lions cubs, or that minivan drivin’, PTA attending, suburban soccer mom is gonna open a whole can of ugly on your hide.
So no more swinging couples will threaten this pretty suburban street. No more swinging couples who will proclaim that their relationships are stronger than those of people who don’t feel the need to have sex with their friends spouses.
And that’s the latest chatter about The Hunt Club of Brevard.
June 13th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Who the hell are you to decide what people get to do and not do in private? These people were, by all accounts, quiet and undisruptive. Undercover police even found no violations when attending a party. Now because prudes like you can’t stand the idea of people not having missionary-style sex with the same person for 50 years, they will have to go somewhere else. Newsflash: your rights do not include the right to suppress the rights of others to freely associate! You and your kind make America the laughing stock of the world and thinking people everywhere.
June 13th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Look Tony
I don’t really care if you want if you want to attend Sodom and Gomorrah parties. But the neighbors in that subdivision have a right to protect their property values which were spiraling south because of the Hunt Club of Brevard. They also have a right to shield their children from what they may accidentally see. They didn’t even own that house, the landlord did. Who were they to dictate to that landlord what will be done with property that is not theirs?
But you know Tony, you’re right. It’s people like me that the world laughs at, not people who put on costumes and masks in order to act out sexual fantasies. Yeah, some of us weirdos actually WANT to abide by our marriage vows.
June 13th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
To each their own
BUT if you’re going to be loud, then turn it down or turn it off.
I have noisy neighbors, I could care less what they’re doing but if it’s 3:00 a.m. on a Monday and they are partying like it’s 2099 then I’m going to have a problem. I have a job I have to go to. Saturday and Sunday not a big deal unless it’s so loud that my eyes can’t stay shut. I close my window and if it penetrates the walls and the closed window…time to shut down.
If it was the noise that was the problem then fine BUT if these people were “shut down” because it was deemed inappropriate why would anyone care?
Did you see scantly clad people? Like you don’t see that at the beach or anywhere for that matter. Let’s face it, less is more these days when it comes to the clothes you wear.
I wouldn’t dress like that but a lot of people do and sometimes they are at the mall. Sometimes they’re walking down the street. Sometimes they are your friends.
Get over it people.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
Google’s cache of the Hunt Club of Brevard Website
Our Website for The Hunt Club Of Brevard
A Private Members-Only Group
Who We Are
Membership Requirements
Our Etiquette
Invitations and Contact
Guestbook
Our Etiquette
Here are some rules that we live by to have a fun, but safe, time at any party that we attend or host …
Do not touch people who are not giving you signals that they want you to touch them. Not many people like to be unexpectedly slapped, groped, or kissed by someone they are not already flirting with.
All rooms will have a garbage can by the door for you to discard things in. Please don’t hide used condoms in unexpected places. We will be changing sheets as soon they realize a room is empty. If you made a mess, you can always come tell us so we can attend to it right away.
If a door is closed, you cannot go in. Do not try to open doors to see who is in what room and what is going on.
If you are using a private room then have fun, but remember that there might be others who would like to use it also. Remember that you can always go back later.
If we get complaints about your behavior, we will tell you privately. If the same behavior happens again, you will be asked to leave and not visit again.
Even though others find you attractive, not everyone will be attracted to you at the same time. If someone is not interested in playing with you, please respect that and also realize that it is not a reflection on you. There is no reason to be offended.
If you have had too much to drink and would like to spend the night, we would be happy to have you stay. We would hate to see anyone get in an accident or get pulled over for DUI. However, do remember that we are a club first. If the party is still going on, you will have to stay on a couch until everyone is finished partying.
Although it goes without saying for the record there are NO ILLEGAL SUBSTANCES ARE ALLOWED on the property whatsoever. If we find any the owners of it will be escorted out and never allowed to return.
Never be afraid to approach us. we are hereto have fun and help with everything from answering your questions to getting you clean linens to even receiving the traditional first hummer from our new female guests when you first arrive (lol kidding). We’re here to serve you.
Now lets have some fun!!!
June 13th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
I normally don’t write to these bias blog postings, but you sir are one self righteous person.
The property values of that neighborhood have nothing to do with the people that were renting. Not one person driving by would know what goes on in that house, unless one of the home owners told them.
If you look at the property values for that neighborhood and the surrounding neighborhoods, you will see that the values are all falling.
As for your children argument, has there ever been one complaint by any children? NO! If one were to take your argument litterery, none of the parents in that hood should ever have sex again, because their children might see. Heck, lets take it to the next level, those kids should stop watching TV due to the sex and violence being shown.
The landlord signed a lease, thats what gives them the right to do whatever they want in that house within the boundaries of the law. Since they weren’t charging people to attend their PARTIES, there wasn’t a business model, hence there was no violations.
Lastly, it’s the people that judge others that should be laughed at. You shouldn’t judge that what you don’t truly understand. Nobody has called anyone a “weirdo” except you. Get over yourself, and understand that not everyone has views like you, and you should learn to respect them.
June 13th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
Lisa,
Yeah, it would be disturbing for children to see their two loving parents being intimate. Imagine how they would feel to see Mrs. Smith and Mr. Jones going at it?
Furthermore, yes, they were running this as a business. There was money changing hands, and ‘commerce’ being conducted. That is a code violation and it doesn’t take a mensa candidate to know about this house and what was going on there. They were all over the web. Aside from property values across the country dropping in our current financial woes, do you think the property owner can get what the house is worth now? Think the next door neighbors can? Did you see Gator’s post? Indeed I have no respect for a ‘guest’ who has to be reminded not to hide used condoms in unusual places, not to grope someone without their permission, and not to play peeping tom to Mrs. Smith and Mr. Jones’ twisted sex play.
And speaking of mensa candidates, Lisa, it’s ‘literally’, not litterery.
June 13th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
MEOW! This is gonna be fun!
June 13th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
If they are trying to run a “business” then they should be shut down if they are not abiding by city codes. And it sounds like they aren’t. Some stories report that they are holding parties for their friends and nothing more, and others report that the owners of this “club” are accepting donations to build a larger place out of town. Whatever they are doing, their website looks like an advertisement rather than just an invitation for “friends.”
Now as for the swinging lifestyle, I have no problem with it. Live and let live. But I can’t blame the older neighbors for being upset that this is going on in their neighborhood. They OWN their homes there, unlike the club owners who only rent. The older neighbors are used to a higher class of people, so of course they aren’t going to like what’s going on. And as odd as it might sound, I side with them in this case.
A quiet neighborhood with a higher class of people isn’t the place to have a club for those who choose to live a more party kind of lifestyle. It’s like mixing oil and water.
June 13th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
Lets be honest here!
Swinger lifestyle is know ones businesses persecute.
If you believe in God he would tell you, who are you to judge, thats not your job to do.
Its sad to say I saw this on the news, and that neighbors are willing to discriminate someone else becuase of sexual preferences! My opinion is sue the conservative neighbors for discrimination or tie them up in court and post there names everywhere.
Class of people has nothing to do with it! That just discriminative talk from a uneducated conservative, that think they know what there talking about!
My idea is to give donations to get past the Club idea and open it back up. Donations are okay by law honey, you just have to verbal explain that there not for anything erotic or sexual. And just to help another person out. Charity!
June 13th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Property values! Hahaha
If property value falls, you could also blame the neighbors for picky tacky colors on there houses that de-value your own. Or that the neighbors are “discriminative” after being seen on news to properly sell house, knowing there one minded individuals there. I’m no swinger, but your wedding vows don’t mean awhole lot without a signed contract in my oprinion. Especially since 1/3 people at sometime have cheated on there spouse in some way or form.
June 13th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Chase, buddy…
Don’t call someone uneducated when you cannot even spell or write understandable sentences.
You said “Swinger lifestyle is know ones businesses persecute.”
First of all it’s no ones business, not know ones businesses. What does the rest of that mean?
Then you said, “to discriminate someone else becuase of sexual preferences…”
What does that mean? You cannot discriminate someone, you could discriminate AGAINST them, but what you said just doesn’t make sense. By the way it’s spelled becAUse.
You said, “they know what there talking about”
Um, it’s know what THEY’RE talking about. ‘There’ is a place. They’re is a contraction, a word that combines They and are. They mean two totally different things.
You said, “have to verbal explain that there not for anything erotic or sexual”
How does one verbal explain? I could verbalLY explain, but verbal explain? Also, again the contraction thing with they’re. And what law says that donations are okay or not okay if they are not for anything erotic or sexual? Do you put that on your tax return under charitable donations?
So if you had written like an educated adult instead of a kid speaking ebonics on MySpace, you might have had a point. As it is, you are an idiot calling someone else stupid, or pardon me, uneducated.
June 13th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
That young fellow said if you believe in God, He would tell you not to judge other people?
Okay, then read your Bible and you’ll see that God forbids this kind of activity. Thou shalt not committ adultery. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors possessions and that includes his wife.
Don’t you dare preach God to anyone young man!
June 13th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
I’m sorry it was my fault for spending all my time doing Math & Physics. I type, write, read, & screw in my own way. I wish I would of spent so much of my time to make fun of neighbors in proper English and Grattically correct sentences. But this is the internet! I could write all short or misspelled sentences and I think I’d still manage through life!
you’d be surprised what you can put on your taxes. Either way we could do it the old fashioned way and puschase a gift using cash for someone special and give them receipt to take back to the store and pick up the cash from that. There would be alot of toasters returned!Really just do it another way and do door prize for the party leader. that only he can win, which is still legal. I think there are to many ways around the law here!
June 13th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
God promotes us to find our way using his guidance! But he does say its our choice. and those words are for his believers to not to judge and what to covet and not to covet.
Means if you don’t believe then the rule doesn’t apply till you do.
So are you discriminating in Gods name?
Against those who choose a different path.
Hey your like the Crusades, spill blood in Gods name believing its you doing Gods work to discriminate.
June 13th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
I’m not discriminating against anyone. I live across the country from Florida. What I said (by the way in a GRAMATICALLY not gratticallly correct sentence) was that God made laws for his people. If you are not a believer, then don’t preach Gods law to other people. If you are then, yes, you must follow His rules. And the Ten Commandments were not suggestions, young man. The commandment does not say “Thou shalt not covet they neighbors wife, but only if it suits your lifestyle not to.”
I’m not judging those people. They will answer only to God. I am however allowed to have an opinion about their behavior, just as you are.
If someone kills another in cold blood with dozens of witnesses who saw him do it, would you be of the opinion that the killers behavior was wrong? Did the killer go against God’s law? “Thou shalt not kill”. Sure he did. Just because the killer didn’t agree with that particular commandment, doesn’t make his behavior okay. He doesn’t get to choose which of Gods laws apply to him. They all do.
And by the way, you completely missed Damien’s point about donations and tax returns. Must’ve been all that physics…
June 13th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
These people can choose to do what they want, but they don’t always get to choose where they do it. Their mistake was trying to swing in a family neighborhood.
June 13th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
Chase, Using correct English does not make you smarter, it only makes you sound smarter. Do you really want to sound stupid? Maybe people would take you seriously if you sounded smarter.
June 13th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
Oh I agree with Belinda. They just picked the wrong place. Should have known better.
June 13th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
Now,to all those who say that God is somehow involved in all these nasty things…I’m telling you right now and right here,if he is ,he will deal with it himself and not have a bunch of old farts from the neighbourhood be the executioners.That’s nothing but I bunch of bull shit,if the people running this show were doing in for their own fun without making a business out of it,than hands off and mind your own business.If there were no windows opened and load moaning,naked laides or gentlemen chasing eachother on the roof of the mansion,then let them be.All of you faithful morons,who are you to judge how other people choose to live their life,did you forget Jesus and the whore’s story????Obviously if there would’ve been anything illegal going on in that house,the cops would’ve stepped in, but there wasn’t anything of that sort…
June 13th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
and for those who are here to correct people’s grammar and not look for the substance of the message,I’m not American or Brit and English is by no means my first language…so you have no case:)))
June 13th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
No I didn’t come to correct grammer, but doesn’t it just drive you nuts when someone who writes and spells like a 2nd grader tells someone else they’re stupid? Like that other person said, it just makes you sound stupid and nobody takes you seriously even if you have a valid argument. If you look, you’ll see that I didn’t even state an opinion about the swinger people. What do I care? I live in Connecticut.
June 13th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
This brings to mind the catchy song from “The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas”, you know, the one that goes “Texas has a whorehouse in it…..” Swingers clubs are all over this country, perhaps the world, but I can only vouch for here in my native North Carolina, and from what I see on the Internet. I work for a state governmental agency in a small town (Thankfully I live in a nearby larger city, much calmer there, too much action in those smaller burgs) that is rumored to have an active swingers group. This crowd supposedly does the “toss the keys in the bucket” sort of thing that was portrayed in the film “The Ice Storm”. How’s that for retro !
It more or less boils down to how you feel about this sort of thing. For moral reasons you may disapprove and feel that this is the vilest of all sins, or you may find different sex partners the greatest thing ever, perhaps to the point that it revived your love life. The key to all of this is that it’s practiced by consenting adults in a private setting. Yet, some of us don’t want this sort of thing going on in our neck of the woods. I don’t care what adults do with their personal lives, but for some reason, and even I cannot say why, it would concern me if this sort of thing were happening next door. Perhaps it’s the fear of the unknown, or some gut reaction that stems from being born in the Bible Belt. And, I do realize that it very well could be going on all around me and I’d never be the wiser. Come to think of it, I believe it has occured in my neighborhood. I never was privy to it, and I saw nothing more than several cars parked around a house when I would walk my dogs in the evenings and early mornings. At any rate, if swinging did take place here, no harm was done.
Maybe the Hunt Club of Brevard should follow the lead of the Carolina Swingers. They will come into an area and rent out an entire floor of a hotel. They have their own security to watch the doors, and to maintain good behavior. I’ve heard that they even set up a hospitality suite with food and wide screen pornographic movies. Before you jump to conclusions, no I am not a member and my wife and I don’t participate in this sort of thing. I just happened to know a former vice detective with a local law enforcement agency, who infiltrated this group. Their concern was prostitution, and they never found it. From what I was told, it was all practiced by consent. In fact, the investigation was curtailed rather quickly. It seems that two undercover officers were in the hospitality suite watching films and eating, when one of the participants (this was a nude person, I was told that they tend to walk around with little or no clothing at these sort of things) was overcome in the moment and began to vigorously…ugh…well..you know what I mean. That was enough to wrap things up for the local police.
For those who want to do this sort of thing, perhaps you should take greater pains to do it in places further removed from the public eye. Even if the locals can’t see you, the mere knowledge of what you are doing is enough to rile some folks, and intrigue others.
For those who don’t like this sort of thing, try and realize that it’s done by adults, who have every right to carry on in such a fashion as long as it doesn’t run afoul of certain decency standards.
And, if you think a house full of swingers is bad, try having a methamphetamine lab in your neighborhood, or a barricaded gunman. I’ve dealt with both of those, and I’ll endure swingers any day.
June 13th, 2008 at 11:40 pm
Do some of you really think that the people who live in an expensive neighborhood are a “higher class of people,” as Allie said?! Does this mean that a “lower class of people” live in a more inexpensive neighborhood? puh-lease! Think about Tony Soprano! or whatever real life mobster/CEO crook/ unethical contractor/ etc you choose! Just because they have money and can buy an expensive house hardly makes them “higher”…
And for that matter what middle class neighborhood would put up with a house full of swingers in their midst? What blue collar family neighborhood?
June 14th, 2008 at 2:28 am
You know it seems to us if these neighbors were truly “concerned” with there neighborhood they would have handled this a little differently rather than to invite every media hound in the country into there backyards ? And as far as property values goes now that they have drawn all this attention to this little cul de sac in Po Dunk Melbourne FL. I bet you there property values have truly bottomed out now. Another thing that truly baffles us , we have traveled all over this country from large cities to small towns and we have “NEVER” ever seen anyone from any strip club or swing club or any kind of adult establishment run out the front door and grab someone walking by on the street or sidewalk or even driving by for that matter and try to entice or persuade them to come inside or to join in or to convince them that what they are doing inside is right wrong or indifferent. It just doesnt happen. But on the other hand we have been approached numerous times in our lives by religous fanatics of one faith or another on the streets ,in our home, and yes even walking down the street about how wrong we are for not getting involved in “there” beliefs and following what they believe to be our best interest. So I guess if The Hunt Club threw up a cross in the front yard and passed around an offering plate during the night then that would be just fine … My point is people have the right to there own beliefs , religions, ways of life , whatever if its good for one then its good for all. Im not particularly fond one way or the other of religion , but you dont see me running around my neighborhood standing in front of all the churches holding up signs or righting down license plates of people attending services , or having “meetings” , or choir practice numerous times a week because “I” think what they are doing is wrong or a waste of time or against my beliefs or feelings .. No because thats what being an american is about. Its about having the right to make these decisions for myself as to what “I” believe to be in “My” or my families best interest.. Not what someone else decides for me would be more appropriate… Now someone correct me if I’m wrong here but I believe “Swinging” started with God did’nt it? Was’nt Mary married to Joseph when God mysteriously decided to make her pregnant with his son Jesus? At least thats the way I remember it being dictated to me when I was a youngster growing up when I was forced to go every week. Anyways leave these people alone let them live there lives and you live yours. God forbid they start digging into your past and your lives. Its not about what you think is right or wrong for them . Get a life of your own and you will have plenty enough to keep you busy , you wont even notice your neighbors. Live & Let Live Its worked for thousands of years now.
June 14th, 2008 at 11:52 am
I got a real kick out of these postings! It stopped being funny to me when Dan & Cindy’s post accused God of being a swinger. If you hadn’t doodled on the bulletin, daydreamed, or slept through the teachings you were forced to go to every week as a youngster, you would be able to spout your ‘beliefs’ with some sort of authenticity. You asked for someone to correct you if you were wrong. Well, you are wrong. Mary was betrothed to Joseph. If you happen to have the dusty old Bible in your home, turn to the first chapter of Matthew. (Another account in Luke chapter 1) Read it. WOW! Guess what? Mary was a virgin! God found favor with her (Luke 1.30)
Anyway I know Dan & Cindy don’t like these teachings, so I’ll move on. What if your neighbors had a meth lab in their basement? I guess that would be OK since they are
following your ‘Live & Let Live’ philosophy. Oh, yeah…it’s illegal. I didn’t take that into account. I imagine there were certain stipulations in the lease that would possibly make the tenents understand that this type of thing would not be tolerated. Pimps and madames are arrested. Richard and Kersi should be as well. Flesh trading is illegal and immoral.
At this point, all I can say to Dan and Cindy is that they’d better hit their knees. Blasphemy!!
June 14th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
First, I’m officially adding to my list of “things not to discuss at parties” the issue of sexual orientation and lifestyle. (Alongside abortion and politics)
I’m disappointed in how this was handled but certainly not surprised. I think it’s each person’s right to determine what is appropriate behavior in their own home. I suspect, based on my prior experience as a rental manager, that there was no morality clause within their lease agreement and this home was being used as they would have were they the owners. I’ve never seen a lease with a morality clause and I certainly hope I don’t live to see the day where they’re commonplace.
In all fairness to this discussion I have been involved in a relationship where we considered ourselves swingers. While I am no longer involved, I feel it necessary to state the following:
1) In my life I have never met a more friendly, supportive, outgoing, and respectful community of individuals than I have in my years involved in “the lifestyle.”
2) Every bushel has a bad apple, yet I encountered so few over the years I honestly cannot remember a single one by name nor incident.
3) Not once have I ever witnessed an illegal act (drugs, prostitution, sexual assault) within the framework of the lifestyle.
So those things being said, I find it sad that adults entertaining in their home are forced to answer for the manner in which they choose to entertain. I personally host parties frequently (non-swinging) in support of the Ultimate Fighting Championship. Once a month I have no less than 20 people in my home enjoying the event, being outside on the deck, drinking, and occasionally perhaps even being too loud.
I’ve had more problems with those parties than I *EVER* had swinging. Were I to be a resident of Melbourne would I have neighbors picketing my yard with anti-UFC slogans? “Love thy neighbor?” “Make love, not war?”
The fact that they disapprove of the actions they believe are occurring (nowhere in any of the three news articles I read and one I watched did they suggest that any of these neighbors had actually attended a party) to me does not legitimize their actions. The fact whatever god you choose to believe in doesn’t support the behavior we’re discussing doesn’t legitimize their actions. In fact, nothing does save the idea that it is acceptable to protect a “way of life” that everyone is used to.
I have neighbors not four doors down who are openly gay. They’re the sweetest, most friendly guys you’ll ever meet. Occasionally they have parties in which many of the cars remain overnight. I have not asked what goes on. I don’t care to. I don’t care to attend, either. That doesn’t mean I’m going to pry. The argument that they don’t have a website advertising it isn’t accurate, because they very well might. Since I’m not interested I’ll never know.
Frankly, I like it that way. To each their own, within your home and your marriage. To love someone is to love them completely and desire to see them happy, no matter what that means. The possibility that another person could bring my partner pleasure, perhaps in a way I cannot, does not bother me. In fact, it’s quite the opposite. Honesty and trust are the most important things to ME in my relationships. A vow to another in front of your god might be yours, and I support both you AND your decision. I only ask you do the same of mine when it doesn’t affect you in the least.
I hope the lifestylers in Melbourne find another place to enjoy each other’s company, clothed or otherwise.
June 14th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
Wow. How do you go from having a dicussion about an underground swinger’s club being shit down, to blaming God and quoting scripture? Are you kidding me!
I think all of you need to get a grip. Unless you live on the street that this is taking place…then really, who cares what any of you think. If you like swingn’…super, if you don’t, great. That should be the end right there.
After all is said and done…the owners and the city will have their day in court I am sure. If a law was broken, then justice should be served. It will soon fade away into the night, everyone will forget about the story, so on and so forth. What won’t be forgotten however, are the words that were shared here…in this forum. It is the written word that cannot be erased.
Finally, not one single person has the right to judge another. Not ever, for any reason, at any time. We ALL have our faults…fix yours before you try to fix others.
June 14th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
I meant “shut down” by the way. I do apoligize for the type-o. Proof reading sure does pay off when one actually does it.
Sorry.
June 14th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
This one is the corrected message. Sorry again for the typ-o earlier.
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Wow. How do you go from having a dicussion about an underground swinger’s club being shut down, to blaming God and quoting scripture? Are you kidding me!
I think all of you need to get a grip. Unless you live on the street that this is taking place…then really, who cares what any of you think. If you like swingn’…super, if you don’t, great. That should be the end right there.
After all is said and done…the owners and the city will have their day in court I am sure. If a law was broken, then justice should be served. It will soon fade away into the night, everyone will forget about the story, so on and so forth. What won’t be forgotten however, are the words that were shared here…in this forum. It is the written word that cannot be erased.
Finally, not one single person has the right to judge another. Not ever, for any reason, at any time. We ALL have our faults…fix your own before you try to “fix” others.
June 14th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
By the definition of what some have said here, bible study groups that accept donations should be shut down as well. After all, money is changing hands so let’s call it a business.
Let’s be honest, this is being used as an excuse to shove your morality down someone else’s throat. You have no right to tell someone else what to do if it doesnt harm you, and unless you have an overactive imagination this was not harming anyone. Maybe if you would be a little more concerned about what is going on in your own home’s and a little less about what is going on in others your kids wouldnt be out doing drugs while your standing in the middle of the street complaining about what your neighbors are doing behind closed doors.
Your rights end where mine begin.
Btw - Please don’t quote bible verses. This has nothing to do with the Bible. Christianity is not our state religion and there is certainly no legal requirement to abide by it, especially YOUR interpretation of it. At one point, people believed the Bible also gave you the right to have slaves. Do you have any?
June 14th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Btw, in true examination of the words “coveting” or “adultery”, neither happens here as it is fully consenual. And this kind of thing not only happened back in biblical times, but was part of the reason that additional things were “written” into the Bible BY MAN! When they tried to convert the greeks they were so offended by their free behavior they started writing additional things into the Bible to make it appear more evil. But even as Christianity took over, the priests were okay with behavior like this as long as it was fully consenual.
June 14th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
no right to do it in a residential neighborhood- I mean they had a website and everything.
that’s what zoning is all about.
its not like they just had a party once in a while.
people don’t want every weirdo in the world driving down their front street.
June 14th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
This is not a ’swinger vs straight’ morality tale. The problem, as I see it, is with a BUSINESS being operated in a residential area, publicised as such, money changing hands, and ’services’ offered for membership. Unless one wants to question the concept of zoning laws, in a legal sense, that is what this is all about. If these people wanted to host no-$$-involved Book of Satan studies with friends on Saturday night, there’d be no legal grounds for protest. Or if they were private swingers, doing their thing quietly and freely with chosen friends behind closed doors, again, there SHOULD be no issue. Conversely, if someone opened up a great shoe repair shop in the same place, the grounds for indignation would legally be exactly the same.
In all my examples, no matter what you personally believe, if something is done privately, it is none of your business–until it becomes a business. Then it involves you, as a neighbor, and you have a right to howl.
Protesting things like this on religious grounds, unless you live in an FLDS compound in West Texas, is wrong and irrelevant.
Colloquially….bang your girlfriend on your lawn in front of my kids, and I’m coming for you with the law. Try and make me ‘hit my knees’ according to your beliefs, and you better watch out for your face.
June 14th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
Funny how its all of a sudden “Your” concern when it entails something you enjoy , believe in , or feel strongly about now isn’t it… Our points exactly we all are entitled to our opinions but they are just that “OUR” opinions and should not be enforced on others beliefs or Lifestyles as the case should be….. Oh and also just for your information yes a meth lab is illegal , But last I heard whats done amongst consenting adults in privacy is not… Check your Bible on that thought……….
June 14th, 2008 at 10:29 pm
Jason Dennis,
Get your facts straight. Adultery happens with consent. Without consent it’s called rape. Coveting has nothing to do with consent. What dictionary do you use man?
No matter what you think of swinging, individual rights to do what you want in your own home, whatever, the fact remains that these people were operating a business in a residential neighborhood and you just can’t do that.
If they want to have sex parties, who really cares but you know the old rule about time and place?
A suburban neighborhood just wasn’t the place. Plain and simple
June 14th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
The whole God thing started when a “pro-swinger” started preaching about how it is God’s place to judge not other people.
Now if you are gonna preach God, don’t you have to live by God’s law? So it wasn’t some sanctimonious jerk starting the whole God thing. It was a pro swinger.
These were not just some people having the occasional party and entertaining their friends. Look way up there to a post made by Gator. That’s the rules of the “parties” that were on The Hunt Club of Brevard’s website before they shut it down. When you have your friends over for cocktails, you don’t need a list of rules like that, nor do you need to change the sheets…
June 14th, 2008 at 10:57 pm
Pinziz? Who has a name like pinziz? That’s what we used to call poop when I was a kid! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
June 14th, 2008 at 11:13 pm
its interesting that this same thing happened in Duncanville, TX not very long ago. The people there used a law passed in Phoenix to draw up legislation to force the owner of “The Cherry Pitt” out. Perhaps, if the owner has done his homework, he would have realized the chances of him operating a successful sex club business in a suburban conservative neighborhood were slim to none.
June 15th, 2008 at 1:55 am
They’re having fun as God commanded.
June 16th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
More UNINFORMED idiots CLAIMING that this was a business. There were NO door charges or members fees. DONATIONS were accepted to help offset the costs of snacks and drink mixes (people brought their own alcohol. The donations for a new club site were just that…DONATIONS.
This was no more a business that a cub scout meeting. Actually, a cub scout meeting would be in violation for collecting DUES!
The only true argument here is people forcing their own moral issues on others.
All in all, the arguments concerning the Hunt Club at this location is a moot point. The landlord is forcing them out of their rented space. The funny thing is that she (the landlord) falsely filed for Homestead Exemtions for her property taxes and I look forward to seeing her being prosecuted for that violation. She lives out of state and pays no sales taxes that support the area.
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August 19th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
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